frying doom is a nutjob, go back to his posts supporting issler,
he still plagues issler's efforts

The thing I find scariest of all is a howling mob who completely disregard that an apology has been made and accepted, but believe that it's their business to keep this whole thing escalating, regardless of the effect on the person they claim to be defending.

It's funny because his actions weren't under the EULA or TOS.

It's not up to you to decide if it "really cuts it", is it?

Anyone with half a brain knows this happens all the time in pvp and everyone does it. Not just the CFC. All of 0.0 and pvp alliances/corps are guilty of it. ****ing all over people for being dumb and losing ships is every pvp players right. Thats why everyone at the panel found it funny. The only people not laughing are the sec prudes who do nothing but carebear and mine all day and hardly ever pvp. The people in null sec who are voicing that this is disgusting are all hypocrites because they themselves have done this and they know it.

Whats sad about fact that you are only CSM7 member who is attention seeking,unloyal drama queen?

I was very positively surprised by this fact and also by fact that even some of mittens enemies show him their support because in my book he really didnt do anything bad,which i cant say about you...

People found it hilarious. Gianturco was in no way shape or form "joking" or just blurting out drunken nonsense. The dude was tipsy but he was not falling out smashed.

Then you're an idiot, congratulations on trying to get your vengeance at the expense of the victim. Mittani made a mistake, he's just as human as you are. Until he repeatedly acts in a manner such as what he did at the alliance panel there is absolutely no reason to get worked up about it.

Wow, way to make absolutely sure that you will not get anything at all done during your CSM 7 term. You do realize that the election is over, and now is the time to work together for the good of the people that voted for us, not to try to stir up a shitstorm?

Hello Issler.

I came here to tell you that you are stupid.

Just so you know~~

He has not lost a single vote, pubies who hate him still hate him, and would have never voted for him.

Resign or not, he still won with 10k votes. That would be like saying the millions who voted for bill clinton or nixon were 'lost', when they went into scandal.

Issler has more justification than most CSM members to go on a rant. Particularly, if she doesnGÇÖt like the way the current situation is being handled. Aside from a statement, it makes no sense for the CSM to be involved at this point. ItGÇÖs not their place. This is an issue waiting for a CCP ruling and they seem to have lost their balls. Any other player and this would have been over and done with days ago. But it seems a little favoritism has come into play...

Mittens claimed he did wrong himself, claimed he would resign himself, and left no question as to wrong doing in his own words. There is nothing more to discuss. Does he want to back out of those promises now? Does he think he has some form of voter mandate? Well, so did Nixon.

Was Mittens just talking "drunk again?" If he will not man up and take care of this himself as he said he would then let CCP apply the ban hammer to help him stiffen that spine.

I know all the little wall boogers want to swarm to their king nose picker's defense in face of the evil pubbie onslaught but there is simply no escape this time. And it's your own fault.

No, he didn't. He didn't do anything to break any rules according to the EULA/TOS. Besides, he was in that panel as an alliance leader and Michael Boltons presentation was far more offensive...if you've an easily offended conservative who takes everything far to seriously.

You idiot. Seriously you think this many people can be this buttmad at Mitanni, Goons, the CFS, TEST, etc and in a moment of extreme stupidity, send an eve mail that says "I'm going to kill you!". Apparently people have even threatened Mittens dog. Heard anything about anyone being arrested for that? I haven't. Heard of CCP banning any accounts cause of stuff like that? I haven't. Just. Stop. Posting.

We've seen the effects of a CSM member acting without thinking. I think it isn't appropriate to immediately rush off and post your first instinct without consulting your co-workers about what happened, what now needs to happen, etc. It just doesn't seem very professional to me, and professionalism from the CSM is what started this whole shebang.

I think Hans just ninja-compared Issler to a small marsupial. Cool.

I wasn't trying to make a statement about anyone here, I was simply meditating on the value of patience during times like this. I came across that anecdote and found it interesting.

Besides, monkeys are totally awesome. Especially little ones with pouches.

Calling for someones death and harrasing someone is totally different. He didn't say "Go round his house and kill him".

Those that want instant gratification regarding a big CSM statement are going to have to wait. Everyone needs to talk about it, and frankly not all of us have heard all sides of the story. This is EVE. Nothing it ever as it seems.

Personally, without having been at Fan Fest, without having ever spoken to The Wis, without knowing what the CSM / CCP involvement is in the Alliance presentation preparation, I'm just not comfortable coming out and waving a sword with righteous anger without having listened to the full story so I can assess what the problem here is, and think about how we can prevent it from happening again. CSM7 haven't even taken office yet, we're still getting set up.

I really appreciate those of you in this thread that have shown respect for the fact that this is all happening literally while many of the CSM7 members are in planes travelling. Please give everyone a day or so to get home, get paperwork in, get into the conversation, and than we can get to work.

Its extremely premature to go doomsdaying about how we "can't deal with a crisis", and its certainly not fair to accuse those of us who want to handle this the right way as somehow lacking in morals.

And just to clarify, what I've primarily criticised the CSM members for on this thread is for what I perceived to be double standards in the treatment of the Alexander Gianturco issue.

On the one hand Issler Dainz is strongly criticised for coming out with an individual position against the Mittani remaining as chair by CSM members here in advance of the meeting.

Which might well have flown with me.

If certain CSM members hadn't already come straight out of the gate with pledges of support and loyalty to Alexander Gianturco continuing as chair in general discussion!

That Hans is a pretty horrible double standard I think you'll agree.

If nobody is to make a statement in advance of discussion then nobody should make a bloody statement. Its simply not reasonable to censure only those making one kind of statement while allowing the other kind to go without question.

You'd be seeing those threads anyway; people are going to be mad at Mittens regardless of the outcome.
People need to learn to forgive and forget - and let the CSM do their job.

When I first saw this it was a few people moaning about CCP, CSM and alliance reps using foul language in their presentations the same evening as the first day was broadcasted. Now it's an all out desperate war against The Mittani which just so happens to have exploded right after he was re-elected instead of two days earlier when the actual presentation was held.

Storm in a kettle is giving it too much credit; compared to monoclegate this is more like furiously stirring cups of tea.

Take that with a grain of salt, it's just my viewpoint.

Protection from Harassment Act 1997

This Act was passed following concerns that stalking was not dealt with effectively under the existing legislation. The Act des not refer solely to stalking but also covers harassment in a wider sense. The Act states that it is unlawful to cause harassment, alarm or distress by a course of conduct and states that GÇÿA person must not pursue a course of conduct, which:

amounts to harassment of another
he knows, or ought to know, amounts to harassment of the other.GÇÖ

Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994
This Act defines a criminal offence of intentional harassment, which covers all forms, including sexual harassment. A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he/she

uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour or disorderly behaviour; or
displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting, thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.

Malicious Communications Act 1998/Telecommunications Act 1984
Under this Act it is an offence to send an indecent, offensive or threatening letter, electronic communication or other article to another person. Under section 43 of the Telecommunications Act 1984 it is a similar offence to send a telephone message which is indecent, offensive or threatening.

Both these offences are punishable with up to six months imprisonment and/or a fine.
The Malicious Communications offences are wider ranging, but under the Telecommunications offences, it is likely that the Police will use the former Act to bring a charge.

The Communications Act 2003
The Communications Act 2003 is by far the most recent Act to be passed. Section 127 states that a person is guilty of an offence if he/she

sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or
causes any such message or matter to be so
A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he/she knows to be false,
causes such a message to be sent; or
persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network


Thats UK law on cyberbullying.

1. Alexander pursued a course of conduct that amounted to harrassment of another individual, as a former lawwyer he knows or ought to know that would be harrassment. Inebriation is not an excuse. So there is an argument that he has breached the protection from harrassment act in the uk.

2. Alexandeer used threatening and abusive language with an intent to cause harm whether in jest or not is not material. That is a breach of the criminal justice act.

3. Alexander sent a clear and threatening electronic message which is in breach of the malicious communication act.

4. Alexander sent a public commuciaction wth the purpose of causing annoyance and needless anxiety to another in breach of the communications act.


Maybe those of you trivialising this issue need to take a good look at yourselves. Cyberbullying costs lives. We are fortunate in this case that it hasnt however Eve wont be so fortunate in the future if this behaviiour is allowed to go unchallenged.

Alexander was incredibly stupid whilst drunk he made an odious statement that is clearly in breach of UK/EU law. Laws which were used on monday to sentence a twitter user for six months in prison for abusing Patrick Muamba after his collapse. In effect a student got sent down for mocking Muamba and saying he hoped he would die. That student didnt incite others to harrass anyone which is considered a more serious offence.

Suicide is an incredibly emotive issue one I would have thought the goons of all people would be sensitive to. Maybe those of you trolling on this thread need to take a look at yourselves. YOur defending the indefesible.


Alexander has said he will do the right thing and resign and I applaud him for that. It is an act of contrition that would go some way to rehabilitating him in my eyes. To try and weasel out of that action now would be reprehensible.

As far as the legal situation in Iceland is concerned they have applied for EU membership and are currently alighning their legal system to reflect EU law. CCP dont really have any choice but to investegate this and act accordingly. If they do not then they leave themselves open to litigation and or prosecution is situations like this happen and sombody stupid acts on it.

Alexander man up and do the right thing, resign.

I love how the csm is so quiet. I guess most of the members are truly scared to say something bad about alex. Isn't there supposed to be some transparency here? I guess the csm really is only interested in their own little worlds. If they cared about the players they would at least SAY SOMETHING. It's funny that the only csm player who stepped up and started a forum thread gets bashed by the other csm members. I guess she didn't get the memo about how nobody on the csm can say anything bad about the king of space.

The csm is worthless. Just disband because you people aren't going to support us. How much did alex bribe the other csm's to stay quiet?

People were mad at Mittens before this; they were mad at Mittens during the presentation; they were mad at Mittens while the CSM announcement was made; and they'll continue to be mad at him.

The kind of witch-hunt that has grown out of his misstep more and more has the air of people finally getting a tiny gripping point that they can try to pry on to get some kind of release for all that anger and a sliver of hope that maybe they can hurt himGǪ and that's why what they're doing is no better than what he did.

The thread in response to the actual presentation and statement, compared to the furious flood of threads that came after he had been re-elected, makes it abundantly clear that this is no longer a matter of what he said or did, and has everything to do with politics and getting revenge.

The only thing that hit anyone's nerve was seeing the name "The Mittani" with more than double the amount of votes as the next highest candidate when the results were announced on Saturday. "GoonWaffe" and "Goonswarm Federation" probably didn't help either.

The funny/paradoxical thing about that is that, at this point, they'd probably be far better served to show their stance by banning a large swathe of the Mittens-hater crew than going after Mittens. They can't, of course, since that would blow up spectacularly and I haven't have the chance to invest in any tinfoil business yet, but stillGǪ


edit: Correction. I do have investments in the tinfoil industry. I though they were mainly into copper and iron. So go ahead!

It really does matter, though given how politically clueless you were with the whole Issler campaign thing, I'm not surprised you don't get that. ANYWAY, moving on...

The point was that the words themselves weren't the source of outrage, it was the person who said them. If it well and truly was the words, the outpouring of rage that took off on Monday would have happened within minutes of him actually saying what he did. Funny how that didn't happen, though.

We're talking a difference of DAYS, and you're talking about timezones?

Also if you're going to be surprised any time some form of non-gaming media doesn't touch this story with a ten foot clown pole, you might want to get some heart pills ready because it's going to keep happening.

So if the story had remained tiny you wouldn't have bothered to post an opinion. But now that it is huge you can't wait to

once we have done that I will explain in excruiciating detail the HB issue but i find it is best to nail one issue to the wall at a time

i will happily address this issue once jade has recognised the depths of his shameful wrongitude regarding the relevance of his eveo forum ban

lol I'm confused why folks are still ragging on Mittani. He's stepping down. He's gone. Whats the point in continuing to trash him after he's already taken the initiative and removed himself from his post?

This guy gets it.

Oh shizzle, did someone just let slip some info about NDA covered material? Wonder what else was discussed in the channel...

Heh, if CCP wanted to kill the CSM they would first have to get rid of a bunch of people they didn't like on it. Then they would have to marginalize it by cutting off the lines of communication using excuses like certain delegates are using the mechanisms to further their own personal agendas.

I think it is high time that there were more people like Issler out there who will NOT COMPRIMISE their beliefs in the face of overwhelming adversity. Even if it is the "voice of reason" as other people would have you believe. It is time for change! and that change is through Issler.

The only thing any of the CSM members should have said (being able to keep a professional approach) was that they do not condone the actions of said board members.

And time-funnel obviously believes in dictatorships, as that is how they start.

Has anyone considered that Alex's behavior was so clearly reprehensible that it seemed silly to need to go ON THE RECORD! with such immediacy, especially when this has nothing to do with CSM7, and it has nothing to do with us individually?

Many of us weren't at fanfest, Alex only represented himself in his actions, CCP makes the ultimate the call regarding ToS and EULA stuff, and the CSM7 doesn't even exist yet.

There's just no reason for anyone to go around castigating the CSM7 candidates who haven't even taken office for not coming out and making a dog and pony show out of their piety. I think it's both tedious and unnecessary to expect that each one of us individually affirms that every inappropriate act is indeed inappropriate, and frankly I consider it one of our responsibilities as CSM members to learn all the information we can about a situation before we start pointing the finger at each other publicly.

It's actually laid out in the original CSM white paper. If you'd made the effort to work with the rest of the CSM rather than spend your time attempting to score quick political points at their expense, you'd know this already......

I am obviously batshit insane.

You should probably make another ~puppetmaster~ post, that worked out so well for you last time.

Indeed Mr Creepy Internet Stalker

Well I'm bored of this whole charade but I AM looking forward to your entire alliance being solidly wardecced for an entire year or more

Dear Issler,

Alright, fair enough. There's no specific instances of anti-goonism in your posts. You still jumped on the bandwagon as soon as possible in order to promote anti-Mittani schtick in your bid to ride the wave of anti-goonism that the majority of EVE paosters share.

But hey, if you're writing sensationalist stuff about me and my 'space-madness' then all is fair. Oh, and picking apart my grammar instead of addressing my valid points? C'mon, that's so 1990.

Finally, I guess I have to explain my line about npc alts as it went right over your head. The NPC alts are posting goonie hate because they fear goonie retaliation. Now that you have outed yourself as an anti-goon for no other reason than to coast on pubbie shouts of "Yeah! Down with Goonswarm!" all the way to Iceland, you're seeing the backlash of goons and pubbies alike. No matter what kind of apology you offer to the CSM, it's not hard to see through your self-serving turncoat politics and general badness.

Looks like you and D3 will be the only two members of the anti-goon CSM section that no one will pay attention to.

With much <3,
~Aiden

P.S. Didn't writing letters die last century? You should really consider catching up to us here in the modern world. XOXOXO

Wait you were trying to act like madman?I think thats clear that you are...
You know split personalities and stuff..

Really... between you, Darius and Frying Pan, this is getting out of hand. Reading your posts makes me think you would like for RL consequences to be placed on Alexander. WTF is wrong with you people.